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Sycho Pathic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:49:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Droxlyn wrote:
Stuff about comparing ships
So now people are saying that CCP should buff the hulk because of the Covetor. Hulk can mine more, tank a lot more, can carry more cargo, has better resists, has more CPU, has a better capacitor. Erm.. Hulk is a better ship then a Covetor. Also do not use price as an argument since its the player base, not CCP that dictates the price.
Get ganked. Grab another Covetor out of the station. Back to grabbing ice for the POS/minerals for the industrial stuff. The "Moar tears! HTFU! Die Carebear! Elite PVP 14 year old" is happy. Minor inconvenience for me.
Why?
I can lose five fully equipped Covetors for the cost of a single, empty Hulk hull.
Face it. The Hulk is a silly purchase. The benefit/cost ratio is so far out of whack as to render it worthless. |

Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote: And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?
Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship. It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated. On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway. On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing for near of the above ship yield. Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?
Eventually, you come to a fork in the road where theory-craft goes one way and common sense goes another. |

Sycho Pathic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:06:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?
I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed. Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead.
Because Covetorgeddon doesn't have the same ring to it, I guess.
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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:40:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:A lot of good points here for why the Hulk should get improved. I, too, can fly one but I never bothered with buying just a single one when I can fly a much cheaper Covetor with a tank just as useless, but nearly the same mining yield as a Hulk. Everything about the Hulk speaks against the rule that says only to fly a ship one can afford to lose. These ORE ships were designed without ganking and Hulkageddon in mind. Ganking of Hulks is merely the proof of the imbalance, just like masses of Falcons were proof of it and the masses of Drakes are, too. The Hulk is currently not a ship worth 300m ISKs.
For comparison, a Noctis which is not a warship either and gets to see less pirates than a mining ship and has got a power grid of 250 PG and can fit an LSE next to a 10MN MWD. The Hulk has got 35 PG...
Yep. The advantages a Hulk has over a Covetor or too minor to be justified by the 500% premium. Total wastes of ISK until they give it a little something extra to justify the expense. |

Sycho Pathic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:02:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: A properly fitted and flown Hulk should be able to survive most, if not all, gank attempts in high-sec.
And for the cost of that one properly fitted Hulk, you can go through 6+ Covetors that are next to worthless to a hi-sec ganker, salvage-wise.
Less reward for their risk, as it were :)
I've only lost two. Both times involved restrooms. I'm a lot like Vincent Vega from Pulp Fiction in that respect. The replacement costs on those ships was far less than the initial purchase of that single Hulk.
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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:49:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Why doesn't anybody do anything about it then?
The problem is mentality, not rules.
Sadly, the gankbears are just as protected by Concord as the miners. Here's to high hopes for crimewatch 2.0.
I'm kind of hoping the "Shoot someone and you're fair game" mechanic happens. Having an honest-to-God cluster**** of violence and mayhem break out over a simple can flip would be quite fun. Yes, it would be abused mightily by the gankers but it would be fun none-the-less until the nerfs hit.
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